You may have already heard that Mary Daly, theologian and radical feminist, died on January 3 after a couple of years of poor health. And if you did, you might have recalled how she excluded men from her university classes. Or maybe you thought back to her playful use of language, which becomes downright baffling (to this reader) in her later work.
Quite possibly you remembered her as a radical separatist who took the essentialism of cultural feminism to its logical extreme, locating the ills of patriarchy in the natures of men themselves. For a historian – especially a feminist historian – her essentialism just won’t fly. Men have not behaved precisely the same throughout history, nor have they all been villains. But even apart from her ahistoricity, Daly’s vision of men as hopelessly mired in misogyny is politically and theologically bleak. There’s no potential for change unless you want to box out half of humanity from liberation. I happen to believe that men and women alike deserve a better, freer, kinder world. I’m not convinced in the least that men are the lost cause Daly makes them out to be.
Then there’s her transphobia, which appears to be part and parcel of a certain kind of separatism. (After all, separation is feasible only if you can draw a clear, bright line between your chosen allies and the Other.) Phil BC at a Very Public Sociologist notes:
Daly also supervised Janice Raymond’s PhD dissertation. Published as the notoriously transphobic The Transsexual Empire: The Making of the She-male, which in all seriousness contends that transwomen are patriarchal agents in the women’s movement and whose existence “rapes” women’s bodies. Unfortunately, such absurd and reactionary views tend to swill about the feminist blogosphere still, inflaming bitter disputes wherever they rear their ugly heads.
(Read as a whole, Phil’s obit gives a very balanced assessment; go read it if Daly intrigues you. See also Helen Boyd’s obit at enGender.)
Raymond’s views cannot speak for Daly’s, but I know that if a student wanted to write a thesis celebrating the KKK as pro-white woman, I’d politely tell them they’d need a new adviser. If Daly had a beef with Raymond’s argument, she could have excused herself from Raymond’s committee. She didn’t.
But I’m not writing about Daly only to bash her for her politics. She’s one of those complex figures whose odious views in one area didn’t preclude daring and deeply thought-provoking theory in another area:
It is reasonable to take the position that the sustained effort toward self-transcendence requires keeping alive in one’s consciousness the question of ultimate transcendence, that is, of God. It implies recognition of the fact that we have no power over the ultimately real, and that whatever authentic power we have is derived from participation in ultimate reality. This awareness, always hard to sustain, makes it possible to be free of idolatry even in regard to one’s own cause, since it tells us that all presently envisaged goals, lifestyles, symbols, and societal structures may be transitory. This is the meaning that the question of God should have for liberation, sustaining a concern that is really open to the future, in other words, that is really ultimate. Such a concern will not become fixated upon limited objectives. Feminists in the past have in a way been idolatrous about such objectives as the right to vote.
(From Mary Daly, Beyond God the Father: Toward a Philosophy of Women’s Liberation
, 28–29)
She then goes on to identify three false deities – or idols – in Christianity. The first is the “God of explanation” to whom we turn to explain, and thus justify, that which is unexplainable: the suffering and death of children, the structures of social privilege. The second idol is “otherworldliness,” conceiving of God as a judge in a remote heaven who keeps people docile with the promise of rewards and punishments after death. Daly says this idol can be dethroned simply by living a full and rich life in this world – which women, particularly, are discouraged to do. The third idol is God as the Judge of sin, which promotes self-destructive guilt, especially in women who violate patriarchal church teachings on sex and family roles.
All of this is radical but also reasonable and compassionate, assuming one has any interest whatsoever in reforming Christianity/religion and liberating women within religions. If you’re an atheist, then Daly may be a waste of your time. Yet even then, don’t her comments on idolatry within the feminist movement still ring true today?
And might not Daly’s harsh views on men and trans people have melted away, had she simply followed her own counsel by recognizing that separatism was historically transitory, and that women, as “presently envisaged,” was conceived too narrowly? Of course people often harbor great contradictions, and so it’s not surprising that Daly did, too. But here, in her early work, she imagines a path toward human liberation – one that should be open to all persons, not just womyn-born-womyn.
Update January 7, 12:30 a.m.: In a follow-up post, I explore Daly’s Gyn/Ecology to assess whether she really was a transphobic as the interwebs make her out to be. The short answer: Yes. The long answer: Oh my, and with eunuchs and power-mad scientists to boot! Yet, late in life, she may have moderated her views.
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wow, nice work. thanks for linking.
i am still working out the basic dilemma of being both Catholic & female. it’s one i never managed.
Thanks, Helen – I’m happy to link.
I think it’s complicated enough being partnered with a male *ex*Catholic – there’s still plenty of baggage. I have quite a few students (university-level) who are Catholic and questioning, but interestingly, they are often more troubled by the Church’s homophobia than by its stance on abortion and birth control.
Thanks for the link, Sungold.
You’re more than welcome. I thought you had a wonderfully balanced assessment of her legacy.
Daly did irreparable harm to feminism with her essentialism and transphobia, and we are still dealing with the fallout. As a Catholic, I believe she did irreparable harm to Catholic women who sought to reform the Church; she advised radical women to withdraw from it, leaving the liberal women who preferred to stay, twisting slowly, slowly in the wind. (I notice she didn’t advise them to withdraw from other patriarchal structures such as, um, academia.) In her later books like Pure Lust, she was positively hateful to any feminists who did not follow her out of the Church, but instead chose to stay and fight. Her way or the highway.
She was SO arrogant she did not even respond to Audre Lorde’s Open Letter To Mary Daly, which charged Daly with colonialism. I found it interesting that she simply ignored Lorde, rather as the males in the Church ignored Daly… she imitated the exact behavior that she criticized men for elsewhere.
Following the dictum “if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all”–I have decided not to write an obit for Daly. Considering the way she ignored Lorde and encouraged Raymond, I’ve decided she doesn’t deserve one from a practicing Catholic. (She wouldn’t want one from a hopelessly-tainted woman such as me anyway. In Pure Lust she announced we were “imitation males”.)
I always thought it was weird that she railed against Churchly segregation of women, then went ahead and tried to keep men out of her classes. Like they say, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
OTOH, I think I’ll just reprint what I just wrote, and link to you, if you don’t mind.
Do post this on your blog – link or not – because you’re right on every score. My initial impulse was to say nothing, but then I thought of this little excerpt which is part of a longer excerpt that I sometimes teach, and I decided to speak up after all – against the many ways in which she oppressed others, but also recognizing the real liberatory potential of some of her earlier writing.
Sometimes it’s important to speak ill of the dead when no one else dares to, and when they have *committed* great ills during their time. I had your post on Teddy Kennedy in mind as I wrote this. I still think your post was a necessary corrective; otherwise the man would be on the road to sainthood already, or at least the liberal secular version thereof.
Hello, just wanted to add a short comment – I wish I could write more, but there is no time right now (I have a huge exam in less than a week).
I love Mary and I also love my trans friends. I got to know Mary in the last few years of her life – and of course I had to speak up for my trans friends – I’ll gladly report that Mary no longer held the same trans-phobic views that Jan Raymond expressed in her dissertation decades ago. I cannot report changes about Raymond’s thoughts only because I have not followed up on how her ideas developed. But I can attest that Mary’s own thoughts and perspective on this definitely changed – which only makes sense considering that for her to live is to change and move and grow with the movement of Ultimate Intimate Reality – Goddess is Verb for Mary Daly – there is no way she would have maintained static ideas.
One day I will write more on this – I do not want future generations of feminists, trans friends included, thinking of Mary Daly as their enemy.
She really is an ally. Of course this is not to diminish the harm and effect that any trans-phobic expressions will continue to have. That’s the risk any of us take when we put something in writing – it seems so permanently true. But in reality, all texts simply capture one moment – it is only a reflection of that one moment in ones developing thoughts and theories…
This is very interesting. It could have done a lot of good if Mary Daly had spoken up about it in public. Did she ever? Because there are still a lot of self-identified radical feminists who hark back to Janice Raymond’s ideas about trans people. You’re right, of course, that people’s ideas evolve over time, and I’m heartened to hear that hers moved toward a more inclusive idea of liberation.
The material in Gyn/Ecology really is problematic, though. I’m thinking about writing a follow-up post on what she actually wrote – because right now everyone in the blogosphere is citing Wikipedia, not her actual work! – and if I do, I will be sure to add your perspective to it.
“I do not want future generations of feminists, trans friends included, thinking of Mary Daly as their enemy.”
Well, we don’t always get what we want, now do we?
If those future generations get that, then they’ll be getting a FOX News version of history.
“I’ll gladly report that Mary no longer held the same trans-phobic views that Jan Raymond expressed in her dissertation decades ago.”
Even if this is true – which I doubt – the lack of a public expression of retraction is worth about as much as a posthumous pardon to someone wrongfully executed. And, of course, in a sense that is precisely what she and her transsexual-hating horde did to the political viability of all transsexuals, particularly transsexual women.
The blood of every transsexual who will not make it to the age of 81 because of policies that grew out of her – and her progeny’s – theorizing-cum-bloviation is on her hands. If there is a hell, there should be a special wing for Daly and those she spawned.
I am still waiting for some evidence that Daly ever repudiated her views publicly. I sort of held open the door to it in the follow-up post to this, and I did get a comment from another person who claimed first-hand knowledge that Daly moderated her views. But when I asked for evidence, none was forthcoming.
It is possible that Daly changed her mind so late in life that her health prevented her from speaking out publicly. It is possible that she succumbed to the false pride that many academic have – oh, that many people have – which keeps them from apologizing even when they realize they’ve been wrong. It’s even more possible that Daly’s views didn’t change enough to really make a difference.
I agree, though, that private opinions don’t really matter when your public views have done great harm. And really, she would have had to do more that just recant. She would have needed to admonish her followers to do the same. Even that wouldn’t undo past harm, but it might have pushed some of today’s cultural feminists to rethink their own positions.
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Actually Mary Daly DID respond to Audre Lorde’s Open Letter. Mary’s response was found by Audre’s biographer Alexis De Veaux. Alexis documents the find in her book Amazon Warrior. Audre CHOSE not to make it public when she received Mary’s letter shortly after she sent her original letter to Mary. I will let you make your own conclusions about that. Alexis makes it clear her emotional reaction to it in her book.
I’ve heard this, but I’m stymied at why Daly herself didn’t choose to make her letter public once Lorde took her complaints into the public sphere.
Mary Daly didn’t believe in fighting with other feminists in public, and didn’t want to give further ammunition to the patriarchy. She had a respectful attitude towards Lorde’s work, and for years, people just piled on Daly attacking her for being a KKK style racist. It just wasn’t true.
So for all who want to get at the complexity of radical feminism and the women who represented different aspects of the movement, the Alexis De Veaux biography is essential reading. Complex, perplexing. Mary Daly I think showed a remarkable restraint given what Alexis De Veaux found out on her own.
She was, after all, a rather scholarly woman, who didn’t go in for writing “open letters” etc. She believed the truth in women would be revealed in time. She was very much in tune with the 12th century, and was a medievalist as well as a feminist. A bit more complicated than the wikipedia mentality today. With Mary Daly, the surface is merely patriarchy, and she looked to an archaic past/present of women. A true scholar and seeker will read all the original sources, plus the newest biographies, before slinging around terms like racist etc., but I guess that’s asking a lot of blogland.
I’m a historian, and I know that certain truths will only be revealed in time. But a public figure has some responsibility to correct public misperceptions about herself. I’m still perplexed about why Mary Daly didn’t do more to set the record straight, if it was indeed seriously distorted. Precisely her refusal to engage with Lorde’s charges in public gave ammo to anti-feminists!
Mary tried over and over again. She had NO idea that Audre would make this so public… and use it as a way to make a point. Mary sent her letter privately and did not have a copy of it. At every lecture (practically) that Mary gave after that point… she was questioned about the letter… she responded every single time ” I DID respond”… no one ever believed her… and after a couple decades of that she tired… and just wanted to move on.. She knew that she couldn’t control what other people thought…
The entire episode was a very painful one for her. She was, after all, very good friends with both Audre and Adrienne before all this happened.
And my deep apologies… the title of Alexis’ book is Warrior Poet, NOT Amazon Warrior… My mind was not working for a sec there…
I think as the Jesuits used to say, there are some things about history that will forever remain mysteries. And since both Lorde and Daly are now dead, we’ll never know exactly why each woman reacted the way she did. And certainly Mary Daly would never inform men of her inner world anyway.
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Yeah Mary, it was very weird to go to her lectures or have friends go, and report on this obsession with Audre Lorde’s letter. After awhile, she just got so sick of saying over and over again that she had indeed written a letter. Every damn lecture she gave, some woman asked about the letter, and why Mary didn’t write back. It went on and on and on year after year after year, and very few people seemed capable of believing that Mary had had a private conversation with Lorde and really had written a letter to her. Imagine how weird you’d feel if a public figure lied about you in that way, and got away with it.
If you were badgered and not believed constantly, I think this might color your public responses to things as well.
Her attitude always was about moving forward. If you hated the chapter on female genital mutilation in Africa, then continue with the research and write something new about it. People were always blaming the messages she told… say something bad about patriarchy in another land means you’re a racist, right? No it simply means you did your best, and that more women need to follow up.
Mary was bored with criticism. She really wanted feminists to continue doing original work, so that patriarchy would end. Sure every feminist who ever wrote wasn’t perfect, so what? Mary Daly was about originiality, about pushing from the past into a future. While most feminist scholars specialize in one era — Mary Daly went into physics, biology, medieval societies, Thomist theology, English, language (she was fluent in several languages), and having a supreme confidense in her own calling, the call of the wild.
Mary Daly consistently attacked medical research and male medical professionals. The very idea that male surgeons could create a “non-biological” female was simply very bad science to her.
But it was the letter thing that seemed weirdest, and finally the whole lie was laid to rest with Alexis’ =bio “Warrior Poet.” But that was years of lying on the part of Audre Lorde, a weird lie that everyone so easily believed. I think when I look at Mary Daly’s body of work, it really holds up, it was visionary. Women who were not so visionary I don’t think could grasp a lot of what she was talking about. Mary Daly wrote for the highest of intelligence, not for a dulling and bored mediocrity.
She was an originial thinker, and the first of her kind. She wrote powerfully for those women who were the radical lesbian feminists; we had one of our own and were truly proud of her. All the others simply wanted to trash her, or go along with male medical models that might be very harmful for biological women. She had every right to question men who had SRS, every right to question their every move. And really, it is mostly lesbians who are harmed by these people anyway. Straight women don’t have to deal with this, but then again, former men are more important than lesbians anyway. And no one seems too upset about that in post-modernism land.
SheilaG, I approved this comment, but I will note one more time that she did more than “question men who had SRS.” She described them in monstrous terms. I have not seen evidence that lesbians are harmed – individually or as a class – by MTF transsexuals. I do see that trans women fight with prejudices – for instance, when they try to access vital services – that were partly amplified by feminists.
I have explained in very graphic detail precisely how MTFs are harming lesbians. It is real, and we have to deal with this in large urban areas. So if you are a lesbian, and know about this then tell it, but if you’re not a lesbian, then you wouldn’t really know what MTFs are actually DOING in lesbian spaces these days. Soemtimes, I just get sick of the straight world always poo pooing what we have to say about how we want to protect our social worlds.